Yellow faced guy is particularly handsome
Would be good if we browse the forum that it marks the Alerts as read if we scroll by one that is generating the alert message.
Right now you have to open the alert notifications and click each one or click read all.
@DailyProfits you don’t need to authorize the trade, just queue it up
I keep reading air squirter.
@GeoCKC Any plans to sell the LC through authorized resllers, like Helium Deploy?
@GeoCKC yea it’s not really feasible to put it behind the windshield unless you calibrate out the windshield, and even then windshields don’t have coatings to optimize for IR transmission = not really worth it to spend time to improve…the user’s rewards being reduced will provide the push for them to externally mount.
Hard to know what part of the lidar system is impacted by the low temperatures. Lasers generally have more efficiency at lower temperatures and the feedback systems should adjust power to stabilize the output. Depending on the photodiode material temperature can have different effects, similar with the laser, for example some of your operational range drops below the lasing threshold.
My guess is the main issue is with the MEMS scanning mechanism and nonlinearities in the servo control loop. MEMS are fairly temperature sensitive and because this is a scanning lidar system the control loops might be able to compensate properly, resulting in reduced range or frequency response.
@Bitbeard They decided not to put wifi on the device just because the data is so much that you’d have to leave your car running for such a long time to offload data in your driveway that it’s likely not feasible (and the LC uses a lot of power so not really feasible to plug it into a battery) + a lot of mobile plans have smaller data caps than home internet.
So the result is much higher rewards to try and make it worth the time for the driver.
@Xinran_ROVR any learnings about the data quality itself? Anything to improve about the lidar system?
Have there been enough learnings about the LC to inform what changes/improvements you want to make for the gen2 version of the device?
At what point does the TX lose value to Rovr? I’m assuming it is after a certain amount of LCs are in the wild? Or maybe in some regions of the world where a LC never gets deployed the TX still always brings some value?
@bob_carsyn freshness gets turned on July 1
Each road will see a 50% reward reduction for every 2 times additional collections.
Road Visits Reward Ratio
1st - 2nd 100%
3rd - 4th 50%
5th - 6th 25%
7th - 8th 12.5%
…… ……
Road Revisits are calculated globally.
Road Revisits Records Reset Weekly: Revisit records will reset on the Monday of each week at 00:00 GMT.
$ROVR will be transferred within 1 week after data upload, data older than 2 weeks won't be accepted.
This mechanism will take effect on July 1st, 2025 at 00:00 GMT
@djsupafly for the TX any camera shaking/blur only really affects the sharpness quality metric, which is only 20% of the overall rewards. It can technically also affect contrast although likely not enough to change your rewards. Brightness, dynamic range, and noise level are immune from motion blur effects, although if we want to get super nerdy on camera image histogram analysis you could actually argue that some motion blur actually helps your rewards for these metric because the blurring (averaging) of these metrics pushes the final result into the higher reward gradings for each of them.
And obviously RTK accuracy, which is the largest contributor to your rewards, is unaffected by the camera performance.
You can always queue up a trade in phantom with 1 USD to get the conversion amount
@bob_carsyn section 5 https://rovr-network.gitbook.io/rovr-docs
They changed to a simpler grading scale but in the backend they use the following metrics, based on camera quality: sharpness, noise, brightness, contrast, dynamic range, RTK coverage, and for the LC-only the additional metrics of point cloud density and point cloud outlier distance
Where’s the “none of them” option? 😏
@CoinChaser You need to have the Bee in order to earn “object rewards”, however Hivemapper hasn’t yet done a reward-change MIP, which they said will happen, to start differentiating the earnings of the different cameras.
@CoinChaser Nubila sells them direct from their own store and dashboard
@bob_carsyn You, sir, have earned an up-vote
@arbawk Is it going to be in a thread format, like this post? So people just add questions and they reply back with answers?
@CoinChaser until they build a bigger network, which is unlikely, is if it’s cheaper than Geodnet, which it will have to be
What do we define as a depin influencer?
I try to influence people with depin. Am I an influencer? ;)
4 hour AMA?
@Lombo22 No issues, just put them at the same height relative to each other
Prices will remain the same - that is how it works for electronic devices.
Prices do come down with time, as production volumes increase and as factory yields improve, however this savings goes to the company and not the cusomter.
Think about it with your cellphones, TVs, home appliances (generalizing here). The prices DO come down eventually, but this is only after a new generation of device is available, or rarely if a company overproduced a device and the demand is too little.
For depin it is going to be similar, but with these depin projects they aren’t pumping out new versions of their devices year-to-year, and when they do they genenally adjust the earnings from the device to compensate as opposed to the device itself, assuming they continue to sell the old device. Most projects just stop selling the old version and transition to the new, which is usually more expensive than the previous generation (cuz new features, usually).
Lastly a lot of these depin projects make their initial income by selling the device, especially before they have real revenue sources…and as we know there are only a very few projects that have real sustainable product revenue from the data/services they are providing.
tldr; don’t expect depin projects to reduce the cost of the miner
One key callout that I mentioned in last week’s call is the data requirements. For urban driving environments expect the LC to capture ~1GB per km. So with the included 1TB hard drive you can expect ~1000km of driving before it’s full.
The difficult part, especially for fleet owners looking for drivers, is the driver needs an internet option that can support these data requirements. Currently you cannot upload from a phone and you must use Rovr’s upload app that is a Windows or MacOS program. Each day when you’re done driving you need to bring in the hard drive and upload while you sleep, and hopefully keep up with the uploads if your internet is fast enough and if you don’t have any upload connection failures. It is recommended to buy your own secondary hard drive to swap daily.
Based on the US’s average 45Mbps upload speed for hardwired internet that will take you ~5 hours of upload time for 100GB (100km) of daily driving.
The secondary concern are data caps. In the US 2 of the big 3 home ISPs (Comcast and Cox) have a ~1.2TB monthly cap where they will charge you if you go over…so if your driver does >1200km in a month, which isn’t a lot, then they will be stuck and you don’t get any rewards.
The data usage/internet issue combined with general security for the LC = having a driver parking in a secure garage, make the LC a very specialized piece of equipment where you want to spend the time to be sure you deploy to the right kind of driver. If you can find one then the rewards are great and is highly recommended to add it to your depin arsenal.
@FreeShkreli hmm…that doesn’t seem like the Rovr I know. They are pretty good about replacing those units. DM me your ticket # on discord.
Also FYI, they are finalizing their TX gen3 design (the current ones with the LED in the plug are gen2) and it is less than half the size of the current plug - this was one of the main complaints and they have been working to improve upon the design.
Both Hivemapper and Rovr TX don’t have the earning potential compared to the other two.
The nice thing about Geodnet is it’s easy to install, you know exactly how much you will earn, and you can just forget about it. If you have an install location that meets the sky view requirements and is the first in its hex then this is a good option.,
That being said, the Helium wifi hotspots have the potential to (greatly) out-earn the Geodet station, but it’s all dependent on finding a location with the foot traffic AND getting that location to allow you to install. Also, and I might be wrong here, it’s difficult to get carrier offload selected for the outdoor hotspots; indoor units seem to have much greater success. But this supposedly is changing with their future POC reward change where it will be based on connections, which in theory should mean any station getting enough connections would be selected for carrier offload.
Depends if you want to be a contributing community member, or if you just want to get an Ashlar to mine.
You mean Dimo can’t find any buyers for their data and have to start charging the device owners?
Entropy is being Entropy, and it is how they have always operated. They are a meme coin with no utility, they know it and advertise it as such. You join the project for some laughs…as long as you set your expectations correctly from the start then you get exactly what you expect.
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Would need context about what he says is solved.
Their original buisness was recently updated street view imagery…I don’t see that yet from Google; they still have decade old images online.
Their new business is object mapping datasets, sort of like Rovr. Did Mike mean Rovr has solved it? They might more accurate depth data with the LC but they won’t have the coverage of Hivemapper.
Their other business is fleet management. Yes, that has been solved, but Hivenapper Is going for cheap…essentially being rhe Geodnet (offering same services but cheaper) of fleet management equupment snd services.
So, hard to say
@william ah…it doesn’t show up in portrait mode but it does in landscape.
Price goes up although not quite double.
Key thing to look at is the price trend vs time, not the individual pricing peaks and dips.
(doesnt seem like we can add attachments yet ok the forum, but ive shared thr price trend chart in discord)
You can mount it anywhere but your rewards are based on how far your signal reaches and how many planes you can ping. It will earn something but not as much as it could earn.
Also the wingbits stations get power from its own custom cable, so you’ll need to run another cable up to the roof.
It’s temporary at this time. Nubila says eventually multiple starions that are near each other will have rewards reduced, however I dont see anything about the device that can enforce this. It’s essentially an ESP32 with temperature, pressure, humidity, and windspeed…there is no GPS.
Using a phone to validate location wont be a very strong anti-cheat method since these devices are made to be mobile. You could take them to another location to validate location then move them to a single farm location.
Is it worth it? Probably. But DYOR and understand what it is you’re getting yourself into.
Geodnet. Simple system that is easy to understand and calculate rewards. They do have a little trick that differentiates them; the goal is to track satelites and rewards are based on the satelites you see, so every station that is setup correctly helps the network, even if no customer is using data from that station, because it helps advertise global map coverage. Also you cant game the system because you arr forced to install correctly in order to earn anything…cant see satelites? No rewards.
And of course they burn 80% of revenue as tokens, which is huge, and is really why the token price has survived this long. The other side of this coin that people dont point out is they are able to burn 80% of their revenue and still (apparently) remain profitable. This point is key because unlike a lot of projects that might have a good ideal, they are a businesss and businesses need to make money. Geodnet developed their comoany and technology to operate cheaply so they can afford the burns, which creates a positive ferdback loop of keeping rewards up and bringing in more deployers to build the network, that gets more customers, that then burns more tokens.
As am example Hivemapper is a good idea, but their AWS cost is crazy high and as a result they have very minimal token burn; instead the revenue all goes back into operating cost and the token suffers.
Wingbits and Rovr are the ones to watch.
Rovr has a very similar tokenomics(burn) as Geodnet and is following their blueprint + the added benefit that Rovr buys RTK data from Geodnet, which triggers a 20% $geod burn on those fees…but we need to see if Rovr has solved the operating cost aspect, which apparently is coming in the future with their nodes.
Wingbits product is similar to geodnet; you are forced to install correctly to get good rewards so you cant really cheat the system, and every install effectively helps Wingbits coverage advertising. It will be interesting to watch how the tokenomics play out once they TGE.
Have a link to a video on how to setup a DIY board, and a link to the splitter you used?
This is one of the paid features for the Pro version of the tracker. I believe its the “fleet splitting” feature, according to @arbawk
Hope they have a fleet system so I can build on their network. Will have to figure out how to redeploy a toy to the next user.
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i dont see much impact, assuming they dont announce when they are doing the SSID check.
If it is random timing and spread out over different times of day and different days of the week then the only way to game the system is have multiple phones just sitting there for that moment that it matters. I would assume the cost of plans for the phones would outweigh the POC benefit.
Nice bonus, if you already have the geopulse, but not worth it to justify the purchase.
I believe the main benefit to Wingbits is location-verified data. Currently with flightradar24 people can spoof the data, or so I’ve been told. Having the stations combined with Geodnet for RTK positioning + flight validation using Wingbits’ satellite adds validity to the data quality.
Now the question remains if that is worth it to people who get this data and if they will pay for it and how much…
Top 1% Geodnet
Top 10% Helium Mapper
Top 10% Nubila